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James Milton wrote at June 19, 2013
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Thanks to everybody who took part.
James Milton
Paul Foss wrote at June 7, 2013
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Believing in chances is believing in Santa Clause
Paul Foss
paul wrote at June 6, 2013
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There is always a chance of an event occurring. Or the simultaneous occurrence of near identical events. Some times I have been a party involved in an event whereby I was dialing the phone number of a person while they were dialing me. To me that is an example of an unlikely chance and yet it is merely one unique event of the complete set of either I calling that person or them calling me at an infinite amount of minutes apart as long as both of us exist and have a means to make a call to the other. In other words we will have a finite amount of calls to each other determined by the years of coexistence in the physical world. But realized or unrealized chances of a completed call are individual chances. That is, perhaps in our whole life we will never ever complete a call at 4:30 am on a monday because I am always sleeping at 4:30 on every monday of my life and therfore cannot answer the phone. We need to exclude answering services of course. But if something caused me to awake and arise by 4:30 am on a monday then the chance could occur. The reason for my awakening could be one of a very numerous amount of reasons that could be imagined. Because of the infinite number of reasons it seems highly unlikely that there would be purpose behind me receiving that call and therefore a "sometime chance that it did occur".
Last Update on June 6, 2013 by paul
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Geoff wrote at June 6, 2013
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When I understand something to as deep a level as I can, say 4-5 levels deep I often find that an underlying reality precludes chance in a cause and effect world that chance manifests in.

In an underlying reality below a cause and effect reality, Quantum reality, multi-universes reality or other unknown states of reality there is no chance.

In the 4 dimensional reality cause and effect gives order to chaos and perceived reality to illusion.

That is why I selected the above answer James.

As to the question raised by your question James the age old argument persists. Designer or not? I favour NOT for that eliminates the obvious question who made the designer Tongue.
Last Update on June 6, 2013 by Geoff
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Stan Ellis wrote at June 6, 2013
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First let's consider the definition of CHANCE and RANDOMNESS.

Webster’s Definition of CHANCE

a: Something that happens unpredictably without discernible human intention or observable cause.

b: the assumed impersonal purposeless determiner of unaccountable happenings : LUCK is an outcome decided by chance.


Webster’s Definition of RANDOM

1. a: lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern.

b: made, done, or chosen at random (read random passages from the book).

2 a: relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence.

b: being or relating to a set or to an element of a set each of whose elements has equal probability of occurrence characterized by procedures designed to obtain such sets or elements (random sampling).

Here's my thinking on the CHANCE. Throughout recorded history, many things attributed to CHANCE were later discovered to have a cause that was unknown at the time. This suggest that possibly the RANDOMNESS of the cause led people to accept an event to be by chance. I believe this is the root of the Scientific Hypothesis that nothing happens by chance, Random events that have no apparent cause are simply events whose underlying cause has not yet been discovered or determined.
Einstein metaphorically acknowledges nothing happens by chance in his quote, "God doesn't play dice with the Universe."
Stan Ellis